Originally by: Avon

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Originally by: Cosy Ceaon

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is a bug is a bug a buuuuuuuuuuuuug

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No need to stretch the forums about it.

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Originally by: Asharis Fyn

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Dear whiners,

Can I haz ur stuff?

Love,
Fyn

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Originally by: Quen Azle

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Originally by: Chaos Incarnate

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Originally by: Cosy Ceaon

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Originally by: Asharis Fyn

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Dear whiners,

Can I haz ur stuff?

Love,
Fyn

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yes

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I asked first

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Originally by: Chaos Incarnate

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Originally by: Cosy Ceaon

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Originally by: Chaos Incarnate

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Originally by: Cosy Ceaon

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Originally by: Asharis Fyn

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Dear whiners,

Can I haz ur stuff?

Love,
Fyn

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yes

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I asked first

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u have to wait because my main is ghost training
send me 15Ç and i will open the account nao

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Step 1) Buy GTC
Step 2) Send remaining stuff to me
Step 3) I get delicious cake, and also a racecar

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Originally by: Triksterism

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LOOK @ THE CHART!


Steady until now. Can't wait to see what happens to the chart in a week to a month.

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Originally by: Catherine Frasier

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Originally by: Trupplupagus

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Originally by: Catherine Frasier

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3)Most people never, ever, ever take advantage of this "wonderful feature". Many of us, in fact, consider it extreme metagaming: cheating, to be blunt.

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So you are a CCP employee.

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Nope, I just agree with them.

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Originally by: Zinnn

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chaktil a ban would mean they'd have to be paying attention to this thread....

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Originally by: Flinchey

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Originally by: Catherine Frasier

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Originally by: Gregorius Decimus

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Calling that ex-feature "a bug" is the most craziest thing, that I've ever heard in EvE... You've deployed that feature form the begining..

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Not exactly true. As pointed out previously in this very thread this "feature" was discovered, not intended. Yes it has remained unaddressed for a long time but that doesn't make it any less of an accident.

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are you stupid?

its IN THE SKILL TRAINING GUIDE ON THIS VERY WEBSITE

linked toover and over.

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Originally by: CowsCANBark

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http://www.ccp.is/press/investors.asp

Don't like this change? Place a call and complain to the board of directors:

Vilhjßlmur ¦orsteinsson - Tel: +354 551 7102 (Iceland)

Birgir Mßr Ragnarsson - Tel: +44 207 647 1543 (United Kingdom)

David P. Fialkow - Tel: +1 617 234 7007 (USA)

Sigur=ur +lafsson - Tel: +354 414 6000 (Iceland)

Reynir Har=arson - Tel: +354 540 9100 (Iceland)

Isaac Kato - Tel: +1 617 234 7007 (USA)

Navigator if you don't want us to post personal information take it off your website, this is the same thing as saying, here send an email to us and we'll help you out. These guys are the ones who decide how your company runs so we have all the right to contact them about how us, the consumer, would like to see it work.

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Originally by: CCP t0rfifrans

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The bug that became a feature

On Monday, we released news that we are disabling äGhost Trainingô, the ability to train characters on inactive accounts. This resulted in strong reactions from the community as many people were routinely making use of it. We explained the matter in more detail and pointed out that this had been a bug in the original game code. Those of us who were involved in the process of making the decision and communicating it to the community did not realize this bug had been so accepted as a feature that it was listed as such in our own documentation on our own website.

How can we not know whatæs in our own documentation? Well, to be frank, it was a case of insufficient communication on our part between various teams û a regrettable mistake and hard lesson to learn at the expense of the trust youæve placed in us. Thereæs no way to spin it and we wonæt add insult to injury by trying to do so. It was a mistake on our part and for that we sincerely and humbly apologize.

Many would hope that in light of this we will decide not to cancel ghost training and keep it active as an option but weære cannot to do that. EVE is already one-of-a-kind in allowing players to progress their characters through offline skill training. We stand by our policy that if you want your character to progress in EVE, you should pay the subscription fee. The fact that so many people have been able to do so for several years was our own oversight. We know this change, and our misstep in telling you about it, has created some discontent and we hope that over time we can prove our committment to make EVE better than ever for you will be evident as you enjoy the fruits of our labor.

Torfi

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Originally by: Betteroff Dead

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Originally by: Jyce

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to be honest the only reson ive been coming back to eve was the hope that some day my character could do what others can, now when my account shuts off in a few days there will no reason to be turn it back on because it hasnt gone anywhere. i dont see how training while the account is suspended has anything to do with a unfair advantage. i think this move will lose alot more players than gain. the only reason i turned my account on this last time was to keep training. oh well darkfall will be out later this year was a fun three years

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Yep, an a-unique aspect of EVE-Online

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Originally by: ISIAM

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Come on people are we just going to do what we always do and take it without the reach around. I know your not all already tired of the fight and just ready to give-in. we'll I say f*** that. Make some noise, If your not going to quit or if you are, don't go "quietly into the night." let them know for once. No matter weather you are for, or against this "FIX". It's starting to look like your opinions don't make any difference to C.C.P. and I for one am "Mad as hell, and I'm not going to take it anymore." I refuse to go out with out a Fight. Please, call write, or e-mail C.C.P. and demonstrate that you are here, and that you expect to be heard for your money. I am deeply afraid that should this pass with out even the slightest further debate you can kiss any hope of having any say; as we have had up till now. We May even see a snowballing effect. Like that of the real world economic situation were they don't get it, and it will be to late when it all crashes down around them. speak up, now or forever hold your peace. actions speak louder then words, so move.

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Originally by: Besrezen Kantos

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Originally by: Ishbuanium

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Originally by: Aliedora

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Originally by: younub

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Originally by: Shard Merchant

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To recap..

- Release a short news bit regarding widespread and significant change that would occur in 48 hours.

- Buried with other news minutes later.

- 50 pages of posting follow, discussing the legitimacy of this change as per the reasons given.

- Locked 50 pages of posts because a blog was posted, that repeats the same message.

- Dev blog mentions the 'business side' of this move, which the news post omitted.

- 70 pages of new postings follow.

- Thread disappears from Information Portal. Players find it and continue posting.

- Player guide gets edited to remove controversial remarks.

Without discussing the removal of "ghost training" specifically, what we have here is an attempt to pull a fast one on the players. It is easily the biggest attempted ninja nerf in the history of this game. Your customers deserve:

- More than two days of warning, so they can find out about the changes and plan accordingly

- More visible warning, like the login screen MOTD

- More transparency and honesty about the reasons by discussing all the reasons

Hard decisions are always hard, but how you handle them determines if you gain or lose respect. The player is going to feel screwed by changes that affect them poorly, and this is the equivalent of adding insult to injury.

A lot of people are willing to defend this company regardless of what they do (4S name change, t20 scandal), but this community was built on a common respect for the makers of this game even if they didn't always agree. That was eons ago.

You might not see a dip in subscriber counts, but you'll see an increase in player churn that requires more marketing money to support. You not only lose massive amounts of free word of mouth advertising, but scare away players with the amount of ex-EVE types that leave disgruntled at something you did.

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quoting this becouse im down

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QFT

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Originally by: Asith

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/me wonders what the fanfest this year will be like .... imagines tomatoe throwing at the devs.......

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